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			Realtime working sheet
			http://lite.framapad.org/p/Meeting_Dolibarr_20131122


	* Create a subject Specifics Dev on the forums ?		* Create a subject Specifics Dev on the forums ?
	http://www.dolibarr.fr/forum/2-fonctionnement-du-forum/43462-re-recherche-developpeur-ou-mettre-lannonce/		http://www.dolibarr.fr/forum/2-fonctionnement-du-forum/43462-re-recherche-developpeur-ou-mettre-lannonce/

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	* Create a subject Specifics Dev on the forums ?		* Create a subject Specifics Dev on the forums ?
	http://www.dolibarr.fr/forum/2-fonctionnement-du-forum/43462-re-recherche-developpeur-ou-mettre-lannonce/		http://www.dolibarr.fr/forum/2-fonctionnement-du-forum/43462-re-recherche-developpeur-ou-mettre-lannonce/
			For the moment it works like when poeple ask dev request on forum, it's manually forwarded to preferred partner mailing list
			Before create this topic we wait until next devcampcto officially launch http://funding.dolibarr.fr/ where still need define "la gestion des droits de consultation et lien avec les autres outils de l'asso..."

	* 2 new Dolibarr Prefered Partner Request		* 2 new Dolibarr Prefered Partner Request
	** Drosis Nikos Technicks ICT		** Drosis Nikos Technicks ICT
	** Altaris		** Altaris
			Both of them are agreed


	* Renew domain (check OVH mail in asso mailbox) and renew SSL pour DoliForge		* Renew domain (check OVH mail in asso mailbox) and renew SSL pour DoliForge
			SSL doliforge renew

	* Use GitBug as maintenance tools (		* Use GitBug as maintenance tools
	Take task and bug from doliforge to github		Take task and bug from doliforge to github
	Advantage : fully integrated to devtools		Advantage : fully integrated to devtools
	Disadvantage:		Disadvantage:
	=> May be one day github will be a paid system per bug or task ...		May be one day github will be a paid system per bug or task ...
	=> Question: Is there a way to migrate existing content into github ?		Question: Is there a way to migrate existing content into github ?
	=> GitHub contains a bug tracker but no tracker feature		GitHub contains a bug tracker but no tracker feature
	=> GitHub does not contain important features into tracker like priority/module/criticality, task opened to external developer, ...		GitHub does not contain important features into tracker like priority/module/criticality, task opened to external developer, ...
			Pas de raison de changer. Le gestionnaire github est restreint et primaire (titre, description et c'est tout). Apparemment on peu mettre des tags pour remplacer les catégories (Maxime)
			Pourquoi le dépôt Github n'est pas sur doliforge? => doliforge manque quand même des fonctionnalités pour le workflow quotidien et très pratique. Pour les tâches et les bugs c'est l'inverse.
			=> À réfléchir et discuter au DevCamp.
			=> Maxime fera une démo de comment obtenir le même niveau de fonctionnalité avec le tracker de github durant le devcamp.


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	=> Why not use a LDAP directory?		=> Why not use a LDAP directory?

	~~Progress ?~~		Still on the road, check after new dolibarr.fr and dolibarr.org if there is possiblity to fund all this stuff


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	=> Vote trademark protection for Europe in the name of moral entity of Dolibarr fundation with a limit for budget (I suggest ok if <= 3000 euros for ten years)		=> Vote trademark protection for Europe in the name of moral entity of Dolibarr fundation with a limit for budget (I suggest ok if <= 3000 euros for ten years)
			=> Laurent va rechercher pour avoir devis de mandataire.

	* B) Someone to work onto domain name transfer (from Regis to Dolibarr foundation) ?		* B) Someone to work onto domain name transfer (from Regis to Dolibarr foundation) ?

	~~To discuss~~		=> Régis give all ownership to dolibarr association (géré par Philippe Grand)
			dolistore.* sont à renouveler chez OVH : le besoin est-il vraiment là vu la multiplicité des extensions?
			Laurent : protéger les domaines important, toutes les déclinaisons n'ont pas trop d'intérêt. => JF OK... ça chiffre vite les domaines et on a pas fini!
			dolibarr.eu ?
			doliforge et dolistore .eu, .fr , .org, .com,.es (dolibarr.es reste a 2bytes)
			Pour les changements de propriété des différents domaines, il faut faire des courriers justificatifs.
			À voir si dolibarr.es peut être acheté par l'asso. Pour l'instant appartient à 2byte et cela ne pose pas de problème.
			L'avantage pour l'asso d'être propriétaire des domaines : garder un peu la main sur l'organisation des communautés (exemple avec .de)

	* C) Draft of Dolibarr integrator label		* C) Draft of Dolibarr integrator label
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	* New dolibarr.fr joomla progress ?		* New dolibarr.fr joomla progress ?
	=> ~~Who is ready to work on this ?~~		=> ne pas perdre les datas (articles, news, forums)
	=> ~~Define a bounty by the foundation to work on this ?~~		=> derniere version de kunema+joomla
			=> migrer le template joomla.
			=> lancer un appel sur un site genre codeur.com pour plus d'impartialité et communiquer sur cet appel. Fixer un budget max et les attentes
			=> conserver les urls
			=> garder un site simple pour simplfier maintenance
			(optionnal)=> Intégré une banniére de pub personnalisé (pour les prestataire qui payer pour être dessus (following advertisers, payments, documentations, juridical rules) limité au prestataire autour de dolibarr)

			Maxime va crée une annonce sur codeur.com et en plus new sur forum et new sur news thread de org et fr

	* Explain new external1/external2... feature		* Explain new external1/external2... feature
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	* ~~Migrate Kunema to phpBB ?~~		* DevCamp
	~~=> Why ?~~		ATM propose d'accueillir l'évènement à Valence (France). Situé près TGV/autoroute. Dispo : grande salle de réunion 20 places assises avec vidéo proj.
	~~Kunena works great on~~ dolibarr.org. ~~It is bugged~~ on ~~dolibarr~~.~~fr but because exotic modules were installed onto instance~~ (~~in fact all joomla is bugged with .fr~~)~~. Using standard joomla version~~, ~~should solve the problem.~~		Maxime va faire un sondage sur le dolibarr de l'asso pour fixer une date. Du vendredi après midi au dimanche soir. + programme
			Prévoir demie-journée spéciale Integrateur
			Reprendre les règles de celui à Montpellier / Fixer une limite sur le nombre de participants. à 25/30 ça risque de faire juste.
			Cf lien de l'année précédente : http://wiki.dolibarr.org/index.php/DevCamp_Montpellier_April_2013_Organisation

			*Spam sur la forge
			Dans Tuleap on peut forcer la création d'un compte pour consulter le site => On perd les dépôts et les pages publiques.
			JF propose un sondage pour cette question du login systématique sur doliforge
			Stats de doliforge à ce jour:

			Utilisateurs actifs ou restreints: 674
			Par status: 674 actif(s), 0 restreint(s), 5 suspendu(s), 53 détruit(s), 0 validé(s), 0 en attente, total : 732
			Utilisateurs actifs:
			Les dernières 24 heures: 11
			La semaine dernière: 26
			Le mois dernier: 62
			Les 3 derniers mois: 101

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	Valid members of the board (subscription up to date), present:		Valid members of the board (subscription up to date), present:

			Maxime
			Florian
			Jean
			Juanjo
			Laurent
			Jean-François
			Philippe

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	* Title: ~~Draft of topic of foundation board meeting:~~		* Title: 20131126 teleconf
	* Date:		* Date: 20131126
	* Location: ~~Teleconf ...~~		* Location: Hangout

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* Create a subject Specifics Dev on the forums ?
http://www.dolibarr.fr/forum/2-fonctionnement-du-forum/43462-re-recherche-developpeur-ou-mettre-lannonce/

* 2 new Dolibarr Prefered Partner Request
** Drosis Nikos Technicks ICT
** Altaris

* Renew domain (check OVH mail in asso mailbox) and renew SSL pour DoliForge

* Use GitBug as maintenance tools (
Take task and bug from doliforge to github
Advantage : fully integrated to devtools
Disadvantage:
=> May be one day github will be a paid system per bug or task ...
=> Question: Is there a way to migrate existing content into github ?
=> GitHub contains a bug tracker but no tracker feature
=> GitHub does not contain important features into tracker like priority/module/criticality, task opened to external developer, ...

In asso.dolibarr.org/dolibarr :
* A) Before working on any other service/enhancement that the foundation can do/offer, we should enhance automation of already existing tool.
For example, we should:
- create a module to sync permission of unix account onto dolibarr foundation servers from dolibarr foundation manager.
- upgrade tools on server (joomla, doliforge, ...)
- automation of payment when a subscription is renewed

Tools spécifications :
Members validated (payment ok) into Dolibarr of Dolibarr fundation :
=> Create wiki account=> plugin media wiki
=> Create Doliforge account => plugin Tuleap
=> Create DoliStore account => plugin Prestashop
=> Create dolibarr.org, dolibarr.fr account => Plugin Joomla
=> Link paypal members paiement to members status
=> Mailing list => Plugin MailMan done => to test
=> Create unix account

If members is pass to resiliated => remove all acccess
Désactivé Dans les outils si membre résilié

=> Why not use a LDAP directory?

Progress ?

* Dolibarr ERP & CRM © 2003-2012 - Gestion commerciale ou associative. In Dolibarr.fr footer. Is dolibarr a deposed trademark ?
In some countries in europe, dolibarr was registered by some companies.
Except for France where the trademark was registered by Laurent Destailleur as president of Dolibarr Foundation.
So for france, there is no need to vote to transfer trademark from nltechno company because trademark is not owned by any company (nor nltechno nor any other).
For other countries, I don't know how to find which companies has bought the trademark in their country (I know german community did it, and i think 2byte did it for spain, but i don't think it's a good idea to ask them to cease trademark to someone else than them, because they bought the trademark to protect project since they want to invest on dolibarr and wanted to be sure to not loose money because of someone doing something else with the trademark.
However, what could be a good idea is to launch an action to let the foundation buy trademark for "europe" (OHMI) or work (OMPI) (for countries where no companies has already buy it). For europe, it cost 1000 euros + a laywercalled "mandataire" if we want to be sure to do things correctly , i think 3000 euros should be ok.

=> Vote trademark protection for Europe in the name of moral entity of Dolibarr fundation with a limit for budget (I suggest ok if <= 3000 euros for ten years)

* B) Someone to work onto domain name transfer (from Regis to Dolibarr foundation) ?

To discuss

* C) Draft of Dolibarr integrator label
=> Difficulté d'évaluer le serieux des potentiels candidats... Idée: différencier des échelons
=> The management of preferred partner program is already a program that consume a lot of time, difficult to find for the foundation. Having a more complex system will
increase the problem. It is better to do less correctly that engaging into doing more without doing it correctly. Ok to do so, but only when point A will be finished.
Par exemple Mon-dolibarr.fr dans les partenaire cloud privilégié alors que A3sys n'est pas Preferred Partner
=> Mon-dolibarr.fr n'est pas dans les partenaires privilégiés, mais juste dans la liste des sociétés qui se sont déclarées. Seul les preferred partner sont privilégiés (ajoutés en premier). La question est-elle "faut-il supprimer le référencement de toute société qui n'est pas Prefered Partner" ?
Je pense que non, car cela empeche le développement de l'echosystem et toute société ne commence pas directement dans dolibarr en étant directement prefered partner.

=> To discuss

Task to do by Florian henry => Resend CGV to DoliStore sellers, with motivation letters to keep module up to date and new Dolistore module validation rules (done ?)

* D) Doliforge "Demande de promotion d'annonce sur Doliforge" process

To discuss

* E) Vendre 1-2 espaces annonces pub sur sites Dolibarr pour des services autour de Dolibarr en plus de la pub google (qui promeut les autres ERP...)

To discuss next time (part solved by point on advertising budget)

=> This need to develop tools to manage this: following advertisers, payments, documentations, juridical rules, etc.
Who is ok to work on this ?

* New dolibarr.fr joomla progress ?
=> Who is ready to work on this ?
=> Define a bounty by the foundation to work on this ?

* Explain new external1/external2... feature
=> I removed part about coding/development, because this status of the foundation is not to define this. The foundation goal is limited develop (as "promoting" not as "coding") Dolibarr. Coding is goal of development team (so coding discussion would be at good place into a devcamp but not into dolibarr foundation meeting). This must appears into task tracker instead...
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* Road map :
Target 3.5 :
Clean all class (must respect CRUD with user in parameters
Extrafield and multicompany feature
Replace all $_POST/$_GET by GETPOST
Add webservice as module extention as done for dictionnary
Clean all class (must respect CRUD with user in parameters)
Vérifier qu'il y a des transactions partout où il faut (insert update, delete)
Normalized usage of setEventMessage instead of dol_msg_print...
Modules CRM : Commercial (gestion d'affaires / opportunités), Marketing (Campagnes)
Intégration d'e-mails automatique (envoyés / reçu)
Intégration téléphonie
Gestion de production
Gestion de stock => Réservation de stock, et gestion des retours échanges
Gestion des déclinaisons produits
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* Migrate Kunema to phpBB ?
=> Why ?
Kunena works great on dolibarr.org. It is bugged on dolibarr.fr but because exotic modules were installed onto instance (in fact all joomla is bugged with .fr). Using standard joomla version, should solve the problem.